نسف شبهة مَن قال لله صاحبة [ زوجة / عروس ] و ولدا ؟

[الشهاب الثاقب]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
و به نستعين

وضحت فى المشاركة الأولى أنّ هناك مَن قالوا بأن السيدة مريم زوجة للآب و أنّ الغالبية قالوا أنها زوجة للروح القدس و البعض مَن قال أنه لا يوجد علاقة جنسية بينهم و أنا أشرت الى ذلك فى المشاركة الأولى
و أنّ هناك مَن لمح بهذه العلاقة الجنسية عندما قالوا بأن المقصود بعبارات الغزل الفاضح فى سفر نشيد الإنشاد كانت بين الإله العريس وبين السيدة مريم العروس و قولهم أنّ الإله يشتهى حُسنها أو يشتاق قلبه لها أو الوصف الجسدى فى نشيد الإنشاد
هناك سؤال قد يبادر للذهن وهو
لماذا إذن السؤال الإستنكارى فى الأية كان عام و البعض قال أنّ الولادة بدون علاقة جنسية
الإجابة
أولاً عندما يكون السؤال الإستنكارى عام فهو ليشمل الخاص
ثانياً هناك إجماع أنّ هناك علاقة سرية ما وصفوها ( بسر التجسد ) قد حدثت بين الإله والسيدة مريم
ثالثاً هناك مَن لمح بعلاقة جنسية ( نشيد الإنشاد )
رابعاً نسألهم ونقول عندما قلتم عن السيدة مريم أنها زوجة لأحد الأقانيم أو قلتم أنها والدة الإله المتجسد
فهل يمكن أن يتواجد هذا الإله المتجسد بدون وجود هذه الزوجة أو الأم ! ؟؟؟
الإجابة قطعاً ستكون منهم لا
وهذا هو المقصود مِن السؤال الإستنكارى أنّ هناك علاقة سببية هم وضعوها ولا يستطيعون نفيها
لذلك نفى الله الصاحبة التى إستلزموها لوجود الولد
إن شاء الله سيكون هناك مشاركات تُظهر قولهم بأن السيدة مريم زوجة للروح القدس كالمشاركة التى فى الإقتباس توضح بأن أبآئهم قالوا بذلك
ولمن أراد البحث فليبحث عن Spouse of the Holy Spirit

للمزيد من مواضيعي

 

[* إسلامي عزّي *]

جزاكم الله خيرا أخي الحبيب ،،

اقتباس   المشاركة الأصلية كتبها الشهاب الثاقب هناك مَن لمح بعلاقة جنسية

القس لويس كاستون دو سيغير قالها صراحة





( الله ) الرّوحُ القُدس شمل العذراء مريم بظله فقام بإخصابها ،( الله ) الإبن اتخذها أمّا ، العذراء مريم هي في الوقت نفسه الإبنة و الزوجة [ épouse ] و أمّ الربّ .



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l'a fécondée = قام بإخصابها

المزيد من مواضيعي

من أجمل التلاوات : جزء عم

المسيحية و عبادة دم المصلوب

جامعة هارفارد تضع آية من سورة النساء على مدخل الكلية !

أضحى 1440هـ مبارك يا غير مسجل

The many benefits of fasting

المُهَيمِنُ جَلّ جَلالُه

Tarawih _ 2020 / 22

Muslims are satan worshippers

توقيع * إسلامي عزّي *

لوقا 3:8 ترجمة سميث وفاندايك وَيُوَنَّا امْرَأَةُ خُوزِي وَكِيلِ هِيرُودُسَ وَسُوسَنَّةُ وَأُخَرُ كَثِيرَاتٌ كُنَّ يَخْدِمْنَهُ مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِنَّ. **** https://mp3quran.net/ar/balilah سُبحان الذي يـُطعـِمُ ولا يُطعَم ، منّ علينا وهدانا ، و أعطانا و آوانا ، وكلّ بلاء حسن أبلانا ، الحمدُ لله حمداً حمداً ، الحمدُ لله حمداً يعدلُ حمدَ الملائكة المُسبّحين ، و الأنبياء و المُرسلين ، الحمدُ لله حمدًا كثيراً طيّبا مُطيّبا مُباركاً فيه ، كما يُحبّ ربّنا و يرضى ، اللهمّ لكَ الحمدُ في أرضك ، ولك الحمدُ فوق سماواتك ، لكَ الحمدُ حتّى ترضى ، ولكَ الحمدُ إذا رضيتَ ، ولكَ الحمدُ بعد الرضى ، اللهمّ لك الحمدُ حمداً كثيراً يملأ السماوات العلى ، يملأ الأرض و مابينهما ، تباركتَ ربّنا وتعالَيتَ .

[* إسلامي عزّي *]

نقرأ على موقع catholictradition.org مايلي :

اقتباس The picture shows Mary standing upon a globe, which represents the world. Above is the Blessed Trinity. Directly over her head hovers the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove. Graces, represented by rays of light, stream from Him into Mary's heart, and from thence pour themselves upon the earth in seven streams, symbolizing the seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit granted to men through Mary's mediation. In several passages of Holy Scripture, the Holy Spirit Himself calls Mary His Spouse

الصورة أسفله تبين مريم العذراء واقفة على الكرة الأرضية في إشارة لوقوفها على العالم ، أعلاه يظهر الثالوث المقدس حيث نرى حمامة ( الروح القُدُس ) تحوم فوق رأس العذراء ،
في عدة مقاطع من الكتاب المقدس الروح القدس نفسه يدعو مريم العذراء زوجته = صاحبته =

اقتباس Enraptured by Mary's beauty, the Holy Spirit exclaims in admiration: "How beautiful art thou, My Love!" (Cant. 4:1)

مفتونا بجمال مريم ، الروح القدس ( الله ) يتغزل في العذراء مبديا إعجابه بها
أنشاد 4 : 1
ما أجمَلَكِ يا حَبِيبَتِي!
ما أجمَلَكِ!

http://www.catholictradition.org/Tra...oly-ghost7.htm

المزيد من مواضيعي

نشيد رحمة للعالمين

بولس و صناعة الغباء !

القس سامح موريس يتبرأ من ربّه ومن نصوص الإرهاب في كتابه الذي يُقدّس !

Gott oder Mensch . teil 2

Tarawih _ 2020 / 06

القمص توما عشم : أنا باكل الله وبشربه!

Tarawih _ 2021 / 14

إدفع الضريبة مقابل تناول القربان المقدس

[الشهاب الثاقب]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
و به نستعين

وهذه بعض الشهادات عن أبائهم

اقتباس Let's look at a few quotes from Rome herself. Pope Leo XIII, in his Encycl. Divinum illud, May 9,1897 stated: "...Unite, then, Venerable Brethren, your prayers with Ours, and at your exhortation let all Christian peoples add their prayers also, invoking the powerful and ever-acceptable intercession of the Blessed Virgin. You know well the intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Spirit, so that SHE IS JUSTLY CALLED HIS SPOUSE. Her intercession was of great avail both in the mystery of the Incarnation and in the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles...." (Papal Teachings: Our Lady, Selected and arranged by The Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, Imprimatur: His Eminence, Richard Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, May 31, 1961, 150. Pope Pius XII, in an address to the women of Italian Catholic Action, July 13, 1958 said : "There is a Woman, --you know it, -- upon whom God willed to fix His eyes with infinite tenderness, as He had destined her to be His Mother. His all-powerful love kept her virginal glory intact, and in addition HE BESTOWED ON HER THE CROWN OF A SPOUSE AND THE DIGNITY OF A MOTHER. Look on Mary as your model, unsurpassed and unsurpassable. Look on Mary, the Lily of the Valley, who, nevertheless, through the operation of the Holy Spirit bore fruit and gave Jesus to the world. If you look on her and imitate her, your freshness shall remain unblemished; your perfume unaltered; and your attractiveness unchangeable." (Ibid. 458 ) Pope Pius XII also taught: "And Paradise recognized that she [Mary] WAS REALLY WORTHY OF RECEIVING HONOR, GLORY AND RULE, because she is full of grace, holier, more beautiful, more exalted, incomparably more so than the greatest saints and angels, taken individually or all together; because, as the FIRST-BORN DAUGHTER of the Father, the PERFECT MOTHER of the Word, the BELOVED SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, she is related in virtue of the Hypostatic Union to the whole Most Holy Trinity...." (Ibid. 267-268 ) Pope Pius XII did think that Mary was "firstborn daughter of the Father", but Leo VIII went so far in his Encyclical Augustissimو (Sept.12, 1897) to say of Mary: "God chose her from all eternity to be the Mother of the Incarnate Word, and for that reason so eminently disguised her among all His most beautiful works in the triple order of nature, grace and glory, that the Church justly applies to her these words: - 'I came out of the Mouth of the Most High, the FIRSTBORN BEFORE ALL CREATURES" (Papal Teachings: Our Lady, 151).

وهذا إقتباس من أقوال بابا الفاتيكان بيوس الثاني عشر، 13 مايو 1946، وهو يرفع السيدة العذراء الى مقام الإلهيه

اقتباس Venerable Brethren and Beloved Sons and Daughters: Blessed be the Lord God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Father of mercies and God of all consolation, who comforts us in all our tribulation. Blessed also, she whom He appointed Mother of Mercy, our Queen and our beloved Advocate, Mediatrix of all graces, and dispenser of all His treasures. ... the glorious Virgin, triumphantly entering the heavenly homeland, through the nine choirs of angels, was raised even to the throne of the most Holy Trinity, who placed upon her brow the triple diadem of glory. There she was presented to the court of heaven, seated at the right hand of the Immortal King of Ages and crowned Queen of the Universe. And the King saw that she was truly worthy of such honour, glory and empire, because she was more filled with grace, more holy, more beautiful, nearer to the divine, incomparably more so, than the greatest saints and sublimest angels, separately or together. This because she is mysteriously related in the order of the hypostatic union with the Blessed Trinity, with Him who is in essence the Infinite Majesty, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. ... Because she is associated as Mother and Helper of the King of Martyrs in the ineffable work of human redemption, she is also, forever, most powerfully associated in the distribution of grace and divine redemption. Jesus is King of the eternal ages by nature and by conquest. By Him, with Him, and under Him, Mary is Queen by grace, by her divine relationship, by conquest and by singular election. And her kingdom is vast, vast as that of her divine Son, because from her dominion none is excluded. Source: Pope Pius XII, May 13th, 1946, Vatican Radio Message to Fatima, broadcast after the coronation of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima by Papal Legate Cardinal Benedetto Aloisi Masella, marking the 300th Anniversary of the consecration of the nation of Portugal to Mary. See Acta Apostolicae Sedis, Vol. 38, 1946, pg. 266, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, ISBN: 882096046X.

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هل بولس رسول النصارى مذكور فى القرآن !؟

يا نصارى أبوكم شنودة يقول لكم أنتم نصارى

أقوى دليل من العهد الجديد على رفع المسيح و نجاته من القتل و الصلب

لماذا تعترض يا نصرانى على الإسراء و المعراج !؟

العلاقه الحميمه بين الزوجين أثناء الصيام لا تجوز إلا بإذن من الكنيسة

WHAT IS ISLAM?

كتاب المرأة بين إشراقات الاسلام وإفترءات المنصرين د / سامي عامري

مكاري يونان : الإيمان أن المسيح هو الله بالعقل مرفوض

آخر تعديل بواسطة الشهاب الثاقب بتاريخ 24.07.2015 الساعة 23:18 .

[الشهاب الثاقب]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
و به نستعين

وهذا بعض مِن الأباء الذين قالوا بهذه العلاقة الزوجيه على مر العصور

اقتباس If we go back to the earliest writings of the Church, and quickly examine some sources, we see the “marital and spousal” aspect of this mystical language used in a second century AD document called the Odes of Solomon; and as we proceed up through history we see mention of it in the writings of St. Augustine (4th century), St. Ildephonsus, archbishop of Toledo, Spain (7th century), St. Germanus, patriarch of Constantinople (7th century), Cardinal St. Peter Damian (11th century), St. Bonaventure (13th century), Emmanuel d’Alzon (19th century), and, in the many scholars of the 20th century, such as Cardinal Joseph Suenens, Karl Rahner, Pope John Paul 2, Rev. Peter Damian M. Fehlner, F.F.I., and Pope Benedict 16th. A few examples of how the word “spouse” is used in these theological contexts may be helpful. In 1979, on Pope John Paul 2 first pilgrimage to the United States, he gave a sermon on our Blessed Mother at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and made this point in relation to Mary: “…Through her, the Sun of Justice was to rise in the world. Through her, the great healer of humanity, the reconciler of hearts and consciences, her Son, the God-Man, Jesus Christ, was to transform the human condition and by his death and resurrection, uplift the entire human family. As a great sign that appeared in the heavens, in the fullness of time, this woman dominates all history as the Virgin Mother of the Son, as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, and as the Handmaid of humanity.” (excerpted from Mary’s Yes – Meditations on Mary Through The Ages, edited by John Rotelle, O.S.A., Servant Press, Ann Arbor, 1988)

وده سؤال سنة 2003 والرد عليه

اقتباس Mary; spouse of Holy Spirit? Question from Rick Head on 4/7/2003: My wife and I have been on a journey over the past 4 years into the Catholic Church. We will officially be Catholics this Easter!!! I was a Pentecostal Protestant Minister for 4 years, but I have gradually been drawn to Catholic Faith. In this journey, we have had no problems with the teachings of the Church. As for doctrine concerning Mary, however we have a question. We have no problems with the teachings on Mary as our Mother/ Queen of Heaven/ Immaculate Conception/ or Assumption. However, we have been doing lots of reading and we have learned that the Church sees Mary as the spouse of the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirt gives graces only through Mary. This is too difficult for us right now. I quote Mark Miravalle in "Introduction to Mary- the Heart of Marion Doctrine and Devotion". On pgs 167-168 he states, "Mary's profound union with the Holy Spirit, the Sanctifier, leads to her role as Mediatrix of every grace bestowed to the human family....As Maximilian Kolbe describes: The union between the Immaculata and the Holy Spirit is so inexpressible, yet so perfect, that the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, His spouse. This is why she is Medatrix of all the graces given by the Holy Spirit." I have been reading the Church Fathers and Scripture, and this teaching does not seem to be reflected in these. Please help us. Is this something we must accept or is this an extemist view of Mary's role that the Church allows in the interest of Christian Liberty. Thanks Rick Head Answer by Fr. John Echert on 5/23/2003: Some mysteries are so profound, that they can only be fully revealed and disclosed over time. Hence, it is no surprise that the fullness of some truths is not explicitly expressed by the Sacred Scriptures or the early Fathers, though typically there is a basis. Without doubt, Saint Luke provides us with the basis for Mary as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, in his beautiful account of the Annunciation and the circumstances of the Conception by the power of the Holy Spirit. It follows from this that, in a mystical and spiritual sense, the Holy Spirit is the Spouse of the Blessed Mother. Mary, in fact, has a special relationship with each Person of the Holy Trinity: The perfect Daughter of our heavenly Father, the Mother of the Son of God, and the Spouse of the Holy Spirit. I welcome you to the Catholic Church, but now feel that you must make an act of Faith on this matter, and the grace of God will do the rest. Time to set down any intellectual barriers or biases you may still carry with you from your past. I guarantee you that if you open yourself up to God and pray to the Blessed Mother on this matter, you will be quickly brought to an acceptance of this mystery. © Thanks, Rick Father Echert COPYRIGHT 2013

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السائل فى الرسالة السابقة عايز يبقى كاثوليكى هو وزوجته لكن الحاجة الوحيدة الي واقفت معاهم هو زواج الروح القدس مِن العذراء مش مذكور فى الكتاب المقدس ولا عند الأباء فى و قت مبكر
قال يعنى مذكور تجسد اللاهوت فى الناسوت أو إلوهية المسيح أو الثالوث

المزيد من مواضيعي

كتاب المرأة بين إشراقات الاسلام وإفترءات المنصرين د / سامي عامري

هل الصيام إجبار و غصب و تجويع !؟

الرد على ادعاء أن خروج آدم من الجنة كان عقابا لذريته

نصوص عن أهمية الشريعة والفرائض و الأحكام فى العهد القديم ولماذا إنتهت فى العهد الجديد ؟

الفهم الخاطئ لحوار الله مع الملائكة حول استخلاف آدم عليه السلام في الأرض

سقوط و كسر تمثال ليسوع فوق رأس طفل

الرد على دعوى تفضيل المسيح - عليه السلام - على محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم

أقوى نقد يزلزل فكرة الفداء و يخلعها من جزورها

آخر تعديل بواسطة الشهاب الثاقب بتاريخ 24.07.2015 الساعة 23:33 .