jesus is not God in the bible

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Nearly all Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional
church has always taught. Christians professedly rely strongly on the Bible for this belief.
Yet there is not a single verse in the Bible which states unequivocally, “Jesus is God,” or
the like. Moreover, the New Testament (NT) gospels have no statement by Jesus in which
he identifies himself as God. In fact, there are many Bible verses which indicate that
Jesus cannot be God by declaring that only the Father is God

First, and foremost, is one of Jesus’ sayings recorded only in the Gospel of John. The
setting is the Last Supper, right before he was arrested and crucified. He prayed for his
disciples, saying, “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true
God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3). So, Jesus tells the Father that he
is “the only true God” and then distinguishes himself from that one God. Both of these
points clearly indicate that Jesus himself cannot also be God.
Moreover, Jesus identified the Father as the only God. Earlier,
he told his Jewish opponents that the Father is “the one and only God” (John 5.44).

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jesus in the bible has a God


Paul said in book of Ephesians about Jesus “the God of our Lord Jesus” Ephesians 1:17 NKJV

Mathew says about Jesus in the Gospel of Mathew “Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46 NIV

John mentions that Jesus in the gospel of John said “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God”. John 20:17
NKJV

All Christian scholars are saying that this a prophecy from God about Jesus "Here is my servant, whom I uphold” Isaiah 42:1 (NIV)

Peter says in the book of acts about Jesus that he is a servant of God “When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you" Acts

John says in the book of revelation that Jesus said after his ascention “Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name” Revelation 3:12-14 (NIV)


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jesus(peace be upon him) was a servant of God in the bible

Acts 3 - New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+3&version=NIV


13The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go


Acts 4 - New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+4&version=NIV




27Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people[e] of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed

jesus will be subjected to God


Corinthians1 : 15 )New American Standard Bible)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015&version=NASB


28When (AR)all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that (AS)God may be all in all


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jesus used to pray to God


Mark 1 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+1&version=NIV

Jesus Prays in a Solitary Place
35Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed.



Luke 22 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+22&version=NIV
41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,




Luke 22 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+22&version=NIV
44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground

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Jesus testifies that God is one and that he is a messenger of God


John 17 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17&version=NIV

3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent

note that he says you and not me and you or i the only tru God


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Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"?

From Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's work; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).

Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36).

Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

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Why do we have to consider Jesus as the Creator of this Universe or someone who is equal to GOD just because GOD had put His spirit in Jesus, and not consider the many others who carried GOD's spirit above as equal to GOD?


Others who carried GOD's Spirit in them:

Numbers 24:2 "When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came upon him"

Judges 3:10 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into
the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him."

Judges 6:34 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him."

Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."

Judges 14:6 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told
neither his father nor his mother what he had done."

Judges 14:19 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of their belongings and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he went up to his father's house."

Judges 15:14 "As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands."

1 Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person."

1 Samuel 10:10 "When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying."

1 Samuel 11:6 "When Saul heard their words, the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he burned with anger."

1 Samuel 16:13 "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

1 Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better." GOD HAS AN EVIL SPIRIT??!!

1 Samuel 16:23 "Whenever the spirit from God came upon Saul, David would take his harp and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him."

1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!

1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!

1 Kings 22:23 "God sent LYING SPIRITS to lie to people" Does GOD lie?!

1 Samuel 19:20 "so he sent men to capture him. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came upon Saul's men and they also prophesied."

1 Samuel 19:23 "So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God came even upon him, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth."

2 Chronicles 15:1 "The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded."

Ezekiel 11:5 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind."

Ezekiel 37:1 "The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones."

Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you (Mary), and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."

Luke 2:25 "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him."


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Let's see what Jesus said about that

John 8 -New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208&version=NLT

No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example. 40 Instead, you are trying to kill me because I told you the truth, which I heard from God.

John 14- New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014&version=NLT
And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid. 28 Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am

John 14- New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014&version=NLT
24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me. And remember, my words are not my own. What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me.

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John 13- New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2013&version=NLT
16 I tell you the truth, slaves are not greater than their master. Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message

John 7- New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%207&version=NLT

16 So Jesus told them, “My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me.

John 17- New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=NIV
3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

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Jesus says that he is a Prophet


Luke 13- New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2013&version=NIV

33In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you,

Matthew 13 - New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013&version=NLT

Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his own family.” 58 And
so he did only a few miracles there because of their unbelief.


John 6 - New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%206&version=NLT

14 When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, “Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!”


Luke 24 - New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2024&version=NLT

19 “The things that happened to Jesus, the man from Nazareth,” they said. “He was a prophet who did powerful miracles, and he was a mighty teacher in the eyes of God and all the people. 20 But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed him over to be condemned to death, and they crucified him.

John 20- New Living Translation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020&version=NLT

‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”



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This is commendable effort. May our God increases your knowledge of the broad .God bless you. Make it in the balance of your good deeds.

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Jesus used to pray so to whom he was praying

Matthew 26 )New Living Translation)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2026&version=NLT
39 He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”




Mark 1 )New Living Translation)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%201&version=NLT
Jesus got up and went out to an isolated place to pray.

Luke 22)New Living Translation)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2022&version=NLT
41 He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” 43 Then an angel from heaven appeared and strengthened him. 44 He prayed more fervently, and he was in such agony of spirit that his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood


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Now lets see how many sons of God we have

Luke 3-New Living Translation
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%203&version=NLT
38 Adam was the son of God.

David is the son of God in psalms & 2 Samuel & 1 Chronicles 17
Psalm 2 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+2&version=NIV
7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD :
He said to me, "You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.



Samuel 2 : 7 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel+7&version=NIV

4 That night the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying:
5 "Go and tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, "Why have you not built me a house of cedar?" '
8 "Now then, tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD Almighty says: I took you from the pasture and from following the flock to be ruler over my people Israel. 9 I have been with you wherever you have gone, and I have cut off all your enemies from before you. Now I will make your name great, like the names of the greatest men of the earth. 10 And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning 11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders [a] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies.
" 'The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me [b] ; your throne will be established forever.' "

Chronicles 1 : 17 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Chronicles+17&version=NIV
13 I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. 14 I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.' "


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Solomon is the son of God

Chronicles 1 : 22 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Chronicles%2022&version=NIV
9 But you will have a son who will be a man of peace and rest, and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side. His name will be Solomon, and I will grant Israel peace and quiet during his reign. 10 He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.'

Israel is the firstborn son of God
Exodus 4 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+4&version=NIV
22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,


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Everyone who follows the orders of God is a son of God

Genesis 6 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6&version=NIV
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Psalm 29 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2029&version=NASB
1 Ascribe to the LORD, O sons of the mighty,

Psalm 89-King James Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2089&version=KJV
6For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Hosea 1 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hosea+1&version=NIV
10 "Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'sons of the living God.'


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Matthew 5 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=NIV
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.


Luke 20 - English Standard Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020&version=ESV
36for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

John 11 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2011&version=NIV
52and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.

Romans 9 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=NIV
26and,
"It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
'You are not my people,'
they will be called 'sons of the living God.'

Romans 8-New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208&version=NIV
19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.

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How did Quran solve this problem

Surah 21. The Prophets
26. And they say: "((Allah)) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.
27. They speak not before He speaks, and they act (in all things) by His Command.
28. He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).
29. If any of them should say, "I am a god besides Him", such a one We should reward with Hell: thus do We reward those who do wrong.

And as a Muslims we believe in the testimony of Christ peace be upon him where he witnessed to his Lord for being the only true God and that he is a messenger of God

John 17 -New International Version

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2017&version=NIV
3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

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God said in the Holy Quran

Surah 2
285. The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."


Jesus said
John 5 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205&version=NIV
41"I do not accept praise from men, 42but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God ?

Matthew 15 -New International Version

9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

Mark 7 -New International Version
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men

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My fellow Christians you have obeyed the teachings of Paul and forgot the teachings of Christ

You have obeyed the one who said about himself the following
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1 Corinthians 9-New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+9&version=NIV
19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law

You listen to the one who admitted that he’s a liar


Romans 3 - New American Standard Bible

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203&version=NASB
7But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?

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Why don’t you listen to Jesus who said

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John 8 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=NIV
"The only Father we have is God himself."

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Now, let us look at John 4:34

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%204&version=NASB
34Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work

Here we see clearly that Jesus told his followers that GOD is higher than him, and Jesus can only do things within Jehovah's will. Also Jesus said that his mission is to finish the work of Jehovah that was assigned to Jesus peace be upon him.

Let us look at John 5:30
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205&version=NASB
30" I can do nothing on My own initiative As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

Here we see two things in this verse: First, Jesus recognized, admitted and preached to his followers that his is nothing special nor have any power in him. Second, Jesus does nothing of his own will; he only does the will of GOD who sent him and who inspires him.


Let us look at John 5:31
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205&version=NASB
31"If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true.
32"There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.

Here we also see that Jesus admits and preaches to his followers that he is not powerful. The only powerful is GOD, his GOD


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Let us look at John 5:36-38

"But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father (my GOD) assigned me to accomplish, the works themselves that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father (GOD) dispatched me. Also, the Father (GOD) who sent me has himself borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor ever seen his figure; and you do not have his word remaining in you, because the very one whom he dispatched you do not believe." Personally speaking, I never had a single Trinitarian explain this verse to me directly. They always give me indirect answers that have nothing to do with this verse (John 5:36-38).

Here we see Jesus again clearly defines GOD as greater than him, and he told his followers that they have never seen GOD nor ever heard his voice. I don't know what more Allah Almighty and Jesus need to say to prove to Trinitarians that GOD and Jesus are two separate beings !!!.
Let us look at Deuteronomy 4:12 "And GOD began to speak to you out of the middle of the fire. The sound of words was what were you hearing, but no form were you seeing nothing but a voice." This verse is another proof that no one ever seen GOD in any form.

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Some Christians believe that Jesus’ miracles prove that he is God. The problem with this claim is that almost every single miracle performed by Jesus finds a parallel within the Old Testament. There are many Old Testament prophets that performed the very same kinds of miracles that Jesus did. If the miracles of Jesus make him God then why don’t the miracles of the other prophets prove that they are God/gods as well ?


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Jesus' Miracles were not unique in the Bible


Anyway, Let us look at the following verses from the Bible that refute the uniqueness of Jesus' Miracles:

Bringing the dead back to life:

"Then he cried out to the LORD , "O LORD my God, have you brought tragedy also upon this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die?" Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried to the LORD , "O LORD my God, let this boy's life return to him!" The LORD heard Elijah's cry, and the boy's life returned to him, and he lived. Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house. He gave him to his mother and said, "Look, your son is alive!" (From the NIV Bible, 1 Kings 17:20-23)"



"But the child's mother said, "As surely as the LORD lives and as you live, I will not leave you." So he got up and followed her. Gehazi went on ahead and laid the staff on the boy's face, but there was no sound or response. So Gehazi went back to meet Elisha and told him, "The boy has not awakened." When Elisha reached the house, there was the boy lying dead on his couch. He went in, shut the door on the two of them and prayed to the LORD. Then he got on the bed and lay upon the boy, mouth to mouth, eyes to eyes, hands to hands. As he stretched himself out upon him, the boy's body grew warm. Elisha turned away and walked back and forth in the room and then got on the bed and stretched out upon him once more. The boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes. Elisha summoned Gehazi and said, "Call the Shunammite." And he did. When she came, he said, "Take your son." (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:30-36)"


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Jesus' dead body never caused for any dead to come back to life, but Elisha's did:



"Elisha died and was buried. Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring. Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet. Hazael king of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the reign of Jehoahaz. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 13:20-22)"


Creating life:

Jesus only restored life, but never actually created one from scratch. Moses, however, did create a live snake from a wooden stick:

"Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?" "A staff," he replied. The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it. Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by the tail." So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 4:2-4)"


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Curing the blind:

"When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. "Oh, my lord, what shall we do?" the servant asked. "Don't be afraid," the prophet answered. "Those who are with us are more than those who are with them." And Elisha prayed, "O LORD , open his eyes so he may see." Then the LORD opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha prayed to the LORD , "Strike these people with blindness." So he struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked. Elisha told them, "This is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me, and I will lead you to the man you are looking for." And he led them to Samaria. After they entered the city, Elisha said, "LORD , open the eyes of these men so they can see." Then the LORD opened their eyes and they looked, and there they were, inside Samaria. When the king of Israel saw them, he asked Elisha, "Shall I kill them, my father? Shall I kill them?" "Do not kill them," he answered. "Would you kill men you have captured with your own sword or bow? Set food and water before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their master." So he prepared a great feast for them, and after they had finished eating and drinking, he sent them away, and they returned to their master. So the bands from Aram stopped raiding Israel's territory. Some time later, Ben-Hadad king of Aram mobilized his entire army and marched up and laid siege to Samaria. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 6:15-24)"


Healing leprosy:

"Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, "Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed." But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage. Naaman's servants went to him and said, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, 'Wash and be cleansed'!" So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 5:10-14)"


Feeding hundreds with few loafs of bread:


Feeding hundreds with few loafs of bread:

"A man came from Baal Shalishah, bringing the man of God twenty loaves of barley bread baked from the first ripe grain, along with some heads of new grain. "Give it to the people to eat," Elisha said. "How can I set this before a hundred men?" his servant asked. But Elisha answered, "Give it to the people to eat. For this is what the LORD says: 'They will eat and have some left over.' " Then he set it before them, and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the LORD. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:42-44)"

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thank you

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

and i answer them by the following


Luke 4: 31-37 The demons know who Jesus is and tremble. Mohamed , they have not been given grace as mankind has. The demons are already assigned a place of everlasting punishment for offenses against the Holy One. Here is what a demon said to Jesus


This claim could never be a prove that Jesus is a God because many of Allah Almighty's Messengers performed miracles to prove to their people that they were Truthful and were indeed sent by Allah Almighty. But however, these wonderful Miracles died when their Prophets' died. They are not useful for us today.

Moreover lets see Who in the bible did those miracles too

Mark 3-New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%203&version=NIV
14He appointed twelve—designating them apostles that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach 15and to have authority to drive out demons.
So as we can see that also the Disciples of Jesus also did that
In addition Jesus promised every one who have faith will do what he did and even greater miracles


John 14 New International Version
12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these

So do you have Faith ??
Can you do some miracles to prove to us that the bible is from God ??


Moreover lets see what Jesus said
Matthew 17 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mathew%2017&version=NIV
19Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?"

20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Wow if you have a faith as small as a mustard seed you can do great miracles


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I know that some Luke 4: 31-37 The demons know who Jesus is and tremble. Mohamed , they have not been given grace as mankind has. The demons are already assigned a place of everlasting punishment for offenses against the Holy One. Here is what a demon said to Jesus:
Luke 4:31 Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the ‎... مشاهدة المزيد‎Sabbaths. 32 And they were astonished at His teaching, for His word was with authority. 33kNow in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice, 34 saying, “Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? lI know who You are— the Holy One of God!”
35 But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be quiet, and come out of him!” And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him. 36 Then they were all amazed and spoke among themselves, saying, “What a word this is! For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out.” 37 And the report about Him went out into every place in the su

Do you think that if Satan called Jesus "The Holy One of God" that means Satan knew Jesus was divine. .


This is a very lame argument on the Christian's part. First of all, First of all, Luke 4:31- 36 says that the devil called Jesus "The Holy One of GOD". So how can Jesus be God of God?
Holy one means a "saint"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/4/1137178380-320.html (http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/4/1137178380-320.html)
It could also be referring to a messenger. For example, look at

Daniel 4:23
23 "You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, 'Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.'


So when Satan called Jesus "The Holy One of God", it most likely means that he just called Jesus a messenger of God. As a Muslim I completely agree with this statement.

Luke 4: 31-37 does not prove Jesus' divinity, it actually goes against it and proves that Jesus is, was and never will be God

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So if you are going to quote the Bible to prove a point, please do it in con####, Mohamed (peace be upon him). Jesus also said in this passage: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many cas You have given Him. John 17: 1,2


it seems that you're the one who is quoting from the bible what you want and even not completing the sentence
so I'll put the whole paragraph for you

John 17:1-3

Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent


So we once again see the same thing again, the father has given him power over flesh, over men, so Jesus giving authority to men is exercising the power and blessings that God has given to him. Taking a look at those verses also with a shadow of a doubt proves Jesus is a prophet, and his true message, which is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. In other words his mission was to show and prove THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND JESUS IS HIS MESSENGER.
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How can we know Jesus, Mohamed (peace be upon him), to have eternal life? The Bible says here that Jesus prayed not only for His disciples, but for those who would believe on Him through their Word. He says thererfore the wolrd hated them.(They were martyred and persecuted

Nice try and I’ll judge you by your own words as your bible say
Luke 19 :22
'I will judge you by your own words
You said that Jesus prayed
Jesus prayed not only for His disciples
So to whom your God was praying ???
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How can we know Jesus, Mohamed(peace be upon him), to have eternal life? The Bible says here that Jesus prayed not only for His disciples, but for those who would believe on Him through their Word. He says thererfore the wolrd hated them.(They were martyred and persecuted
lets discuss this all over again
I know that you Christians believe that the only way a person can get saved and go to Heaven is to believe and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior who died for him on the cross to purify him from his sins. Anyone who doesn't believe in this would not be saved.
so let us discuss what the bile say about that
and my question will be what must I do to inherit eternal life?
Jesus said: loving GOD Almighty so much and being nice to your neighbors will cause you to have eternal life:
Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Notice that the man's question was straight forward
No other question can be more straight forward than this. Notice how Jesus answered this straight forward question: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart......and love your neighbor as yourself......Do this and you will live."
Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity-lie concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win Eternal Life. Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here: LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF. That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.
It certainly wasn't necessary for the man who asked the question to believe in trinity in order for him to be saved. Jesus assured him Paradise if he believed otherwise
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Here is another incident where Jesus was asked the same exact question by another person:

Luke 18
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23. When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25. Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26. Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"
27. Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."
28. Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"
29. "I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30. will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."

Again, we see in Luke 18:18 above, the same exact question was asked to Jesus for the second time on a different occasion


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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Who is it that takes away the sins of the world? In that same book of John, John the Baptist says: John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Now how could a sinful person take away sin? No, this person had to be sinless. This person had to be God alone Who could fulfill His Law.
Very nice
let us check together the bible if Jesus was really sinless according to it

now let me ask you what do you call the following sins of Jesus in the bible


1- Treating his mother in a bad way
John 2 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%202&version=NASB (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%202&version=NASB)
3When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine."

4And Jesus said to her, " Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come."

2- Killing 2000 pig without reason
Mark 5 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%205&version=NASB (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%205&version=NASB)
11Now there was a large herd of swine feeding nearby on the mountain.

12The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them."

13Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea.

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more and more sins of Jesus in the bible



3- He treated a women very badly while she was asking him for help
Mark 7 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%207&version=NASB
26Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter.

27And He was saying to her, "Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

4- Saying to peter (Disciple of Jesus) that he is Satan
33But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."


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5- Christ come to cast fire upon earth according to bible
Christ Divides Men
49"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!
50"But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!
51" Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;
52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.
53"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
6- Jesus stole a donkey and colt
Matthew 21 -New American Standard Bible
2saying to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to Me.
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This is a very good research about Jesus, it is very useful and I think I will share it with one of my friends who is christian "Orthodox".

Thanks for this research,, and keep going

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7- Insulting people
Luke 11-New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2011&version=NIV
39Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?

8- He asked his disciples not to give peace to those who do not deserve
Matthew 10 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mathew%2010&version=NASB

13"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace

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9- He wanted to slay his enemies in front of him

Luke 19 - New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2019&version=NASB

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

10- Jesus asked his disciples to use worldly wealth to gain friends

Luke 16 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2016&version=NIV
9I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

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11- Jesus asked his disciples to sell what they have and buy sword
Luke 22 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2022&version=NIV
36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one

12 - Jesus insult his disciples

Luke 24- New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2024&version=NIV
25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

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Matt. 1: 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting zto make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these ‎... مشاهدة المزيد‎things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, afor that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name 8esus,cfor He will save His people from their sins.”




where is the evidence of divinity of Jesus in this paragraph
i hope that you revise the following paragraph once again
Why do we have to consider Jesus as the Creator of this Universe or someone who is equal to GOD just because GOD had put His spirit in Jesus, and not consider the many others who carried GOD's spirit above as equal to GOD?



Others who carried GOD's Spirit in them:


Numbers 24:2 "When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came upon him"
Judges 3:10 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into


the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him

."
Judges 6:34 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him."


Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."

Judges 14:6 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told
neither his father nor his mother what he had done."

Judges 14:19 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of their belongings and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he went up to his father's house."


Judges 15:14 "As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands."
1 Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person."
1 Samuel 10:10 "When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying."


1 Samuel 11:6 "When Saul heard their words, the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he burned with anger."


1 Samuel 16:13 "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."


1 Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better." GOD HAS AN EVIL SPIRIT??!!
1 Samuel 16:23 "Whenever the spirit from God came upon Saul, David would take his harp and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him."


1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!
1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!
1 Kings 22:23 "God sent LYING SPIRITS to lie to people" Does GOD lie?!
1 Samuel 19:20 "so he sent men to capture him. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came upon Saul's men and they also prophesied."


1 Samuel 19:23 "So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God came even upon him, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth."


2 Chronicles 15:1 "The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded."


Ezekiel 11:5 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind."


Ezekiel 37:1 "The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones."


Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you (Mary), and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."
Luke 2:25 "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him."