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Default The lies of Colossians 1:15-16 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 EXPOSED!

The lies of Colossians 1:15-16 and 1 corinthians 8:6 EXPOSED!
The sections of this article are:
1- colossians 1:15-16 and 1 corinthians 8:6.
2- Conclusion.




1- colossians 1:15-16 and 1 corinthians 8lies Colossians 1:15-16 Corinthians EXPOSED!
Note: Below we will clearly see how, ironically, 1 corinthians 8:6 exposes the lie and mistranslation of Colossians 1:15-16.

During my debate with him, I challenged James White to show us where in the ENTIRE BIBLE was Jesus or the Messiah ever called Yahweh. James White gave Colossians 1:15-16 and corinthians 8:6 as a "proof", which we will shortly see how the latter exposes the former's deliberate mistranslation.
As you slowly and surely discover the lies of trinity and trinitarians, you'll then surely realize that this is all what the polytheist trinitarian pagans have:
  1. Lies.
  2. Deliberate Distortions and Mistranslations.
  3. Desperation to prove the false trinity, which the word itself, trinity, does not even exist in the entire Bible!

Before I get into the details of the verses, I just want to say that you know, Christianity is full of ridiculous mistranslations and absurd contradictions. When one looks at this verse, he would immediately think that Jesus Christ is the Creator of the Universe. Yet, when we read Jesus' words, what find:
  1. GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus.
  2. No one is "Good", including Jesus. Only GOD Almighty is Good.
  3. Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Almighty Knows.
  4. Jesus said that OUR God is One GOD.
  5. Jesus also said "My GOD and your GOD".
  6. Jesus bowed his face down to the ground to GOD Almighty.
  7. Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days and 40 nights, while GOD Almighty "can not be tempted!".
  8. Jesus is only the heir of GOD Almighty on planet earth; not on the entire Universe.
  9. And on and on and on from quotes of Jesus that prove that he is only a Creation and a Servant of GOD Almighty.

With this said, let us now look at the verses in question:
Colossians 1:15-16
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

There are few important points to notice here:
1- Jesus being the "image" of GOD is nothing new nor unique in the Bible. Man too was created from the Image of GOD Almighty in the Old Testament. And the "Image" of GOD Almighty is clearly defined also in the Old Testament to be His
Holiness.
Righteousness.
Goodness.
So Jesus Christ being the Image of GOD Almighty does not make him GOD Almighty Himself. And again, Jesus himself said that no one in the entire Universe can has a Goodness like that of GOD Almighty, and I (Jesus Christ) included. So Jesus Christ clearly has only the Likeness of GOD Almighty and not the actual and exact Attributes of GOD Almighty.

2- Jesus being the "firstborn" of GOD Almighty, again, is nothing new nor unique in the Bible. Many in the Old Testament were too called "firstborns" of GOD Almighty:
Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."
Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."
Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Not only many were called "firstborn" and "Son" of GOD Almighty, but they were also called GODs:
From http://www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm:

Psalm 82:6
"I said,
'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "

"gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6. So again, Jesus being called GOD Almighty's "firstborn" does not make him GOD Almighty Himself.

3- "For by him all things were created" If this verse was talking about Jesus Christ, then this verse is a lie according to Jesus Christ himself in the links I gave above. In fact, 1 corinthians 8:6 below further proves that this verse could be about Jesus Christ. If this verse was talking about Yahweh Almighty, whom Jesus was created in His Image, then we have nothing to disagree on here. The verse is certainly too ambiguous. It is not crystal clear about Jesus Christ. But be as it may, there are few important points that we must take into account when evaluating false, mistranslated and man-made fraudulent verses, mis-interpretations and/or mistranslations like this:
If the verses are referring to only earth and its sky and authorities, then we have met half-way, because while in Islam, we have no disagreement that Jesus Christ will eventually rule and dominate the entire planet earth as also mentioned in the Old Testament, which would then go in perfect harmony with the "all things (on earth) were created for him", but I still have strong disagreement with "all things were created BY him" if we were to assume that the quote is about Jesus and not about Yahweh Almighty.
The Book of colossians is claimed to have been written by Paul. Paul is known to be a fraud who admittedly wasn't even sure if the "spirit" that was inspiring him was the Holy Spirit or not [2] [3].
The Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were
  1. Written by mysterious men.
  2. Written by an unknown number of men.
  3. Written in unknown places.
  4. Written in unknown dates.
  5. Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth. It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4. Note: Paul's name used to be Saul. Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).
  6. None of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine. Not only that, but we even ironically see that:
  7. Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty. See below for details.
  8. The disciples even fought with each others [1] [2].
  9. We read about direct invitations to dinner and other occasions between the disciples in the "books" [1].
  10. According to the commentaries below, all of the books of the bible were altered and corrupted.
  11. The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

  12. And, it is also an indisputable fact that the Bible:
    1. Is filled with ample contradictions, man's alterations, corruption, and false scientific absurdities.
    2. Is written in third-party narrations, which is why we find in all of the gospels' titles "This gospel according to....", and countless verses that speak about the disciples and about their activities in third-party narrations [1] [2] [3] [4], which proves that the books and gospels were certainly not written by them.
    3. This also means that much gossips and exaggerations and fabrications were made up and inserted into the books and gospels. So even if, for instance, some people back then thought that Jesus was crucified, they in reality never actually saw it. It could very well be that they've only heard about it from a neighboring town and believed it. There are certainly in the books and gospels:
    4. Too much gossips.
    5. Too wide of date gaps by the decades [1] [2] [3] [4] between when the supposed event took place and when it was actually written, by hand, in the corrupt gospels.
    6. Too many unknown people wrote the stories.
    7. Too many Prophecies in the Old Testament that promise that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, will be saved from the crucifixion.
    8. Too many mistranslations and desperate misinterpretations in Isaiah 53 and elsewhere.
    9. This also means that the books and gospels were definitely not inspired by GOD Almighty. Paul, again, even admits that he had his delusions and doubts.
So now based on what objective grounds should we reject the claim about the Bible's New Testament's accounts being mostly false and fabricated by men?
4- It is also quite possible that those who inserted their own corruption in the books of colossians and 1 corinthians misunderstood Jesus Origins. Jesus was CREATED from the Word. Jesus was a Word from the Word according to both the New Testament and the Holy Quran. Since GOD Almighty's Word creates all things through His Dividne Command when He, the Almighty, Says for something: "Be" and it becomes, then it is quite possible that the corruptors of the Bible thought that Jesus was the entire Word of GOD Almighty; something that is both wrong and blasphemous according to Jesus Christ himself as shown in the links above.


1 corinthians 8:6
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

There are few important points to notice here:
1- Do you see the difference between "from" and "through" for GOD Almighty and Jesus Christ, respectively?
2- Clearly, GOD Almighty is the Creator of the Universe and everything, and Jesus Christ is a CREATION of GOD Almighty whom his followers will receive salvation through him; through the message that he brought down from GOD Almighty.
3- Do not be fooled by the Bible's ridiculous symbolic languages. Remember above how people were called "firstborns", "Sons of GOD", and even "GODs"? This is certainly no different.
4- And again, it is also quite possible that those who inserted their own corruption in the books of colossians and 1 corinthians misunderstood Jesus Origins. Jesus was CREATED from the Word. Jesus was a Word from the Word according to both the New Testament and the Holy Quran. Since GOD Almighty's Word creates all things through His Dividne Command when He, the Almighty, Says for something: "Be" and it becomes, then it is quite possible that the corruptors of the Bible thought that Jesus was the entire Word of GOD Almighty; something that is both wrong and blasphemous according to Jesus Christ himself as shown in the links above.


2- Conclusion:
Trinity is one of history's biggest lies, Jesus was never called Yahweh in the entire Bible, and the Bible's corrupt books and gospels were:
  1. Written by mysterious men.
  2. Written by an unknown number of men.
  3. Written in unknown places.
  4. Written in unknown dates.
Such falsehood can not be from GOD Almighty, nor the Divine Truth and Word of GOD Almighty. Islam is the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty. I strongly recommend visiting the following links:
  1. The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran.
  2. What is Islam?
  3. The blessed Jesus in Islam.
  4. Answering Trinity.
  5. Allah is GOD Almighty's Holy Name in the Bible's original Manuscripts that were discovered - centuries before Islam.
I also want to end this rebuttal with the following verses from the Holy Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
Indeed, Jesus Christ, the man, is only a Messenger from Allah Almighty, and he was never crucified.
May Allah Almighty enable you to see the Light and the Truth of Islam. And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our beloved and blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad. Ameen.


Source : http://www.answering-christianity.co...ans1_15-16.htm
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