Go Back   Kalemasawaa Forum Non Arabic Forums English Forum Answering Christianity

Answering Christianity Islam's Answers To Trinitarian Beliefs.

last 20 posts
إلحقوا أميرة لوكاس ! ضحايا يسوع والطلاق (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          تلاوات إبداعية لـفرضي الفجر والمغرب : الشّيخ القارئ عبدالله الجهني (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          تلاوة من سورة الرّعد : الشيخ القارئ عبد الله الجهني (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          سورة النجم : القارئ إسلام صبحي (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          الأرقام باللغة العبرية (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          في مدح النبيّ الخاتم (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          أنشودة : قُل للّذِي جدّ بالأظْعانِ يَا حَادي (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          رشيد الأناشيد اتفضح عند الأجانب ! (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          رشيد الأناشيد اتفضح عند الأجانب ! (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          مناظرة سحق المنصّر حمامي من طرف دانيال حقيقتجو كاملة (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          بركاتك يا قدّيس : إطفاء الحرائق وتحويل العظم إلى لحم بلدي ! (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          الربّ المزعوم يعيش عالة على النساء !! (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          film éducatif sur la manière authentique d'accomplir la Omra (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          أسباب النّزول : وَإِذَا رَأَوْا تِجَارَةً أَوْ لَهْوًا انفَضُّوا إِلَيْهَا وَتَرَكُوكَ قَائِمًا (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          سورة يس كاملة : الشّيخ القارئ هيثم الدخين (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          إِنَّ إِلَٰهَكُمْ لَوَاحِدٌ (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          أقوى نقد يزلزل فكرة الفداء و يخلعها من جزورها (الكاتـب : الشهاب الثاقب - )           »          Two missionaries under the guillotine of truth (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          La Bible et le voile intégral ! (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )           »          تلاوة من سورة الواقعة : الشيخ القارئ عبد الله الجهني (الكاتـب : * إسلامي عزّي * - )

Thread Tools Display Modes
  Post Nr. 1  
Old 22.04.2010, 02:27
أبو حفص الأيوبي's Avatar

أبو حفص الأيوبي

المدير العام


أبو حفص الأيوبي is offline

ID: 147
Join Date: 25.04.2009
Posts: 1.068  [ show ]
Reputation: 82
Power: 186  
أبو حفص الأيوبي متميزا
تم شكره 6 مرة في 5 مشاركة
Default Is Jesus God Because He Was Called "The Lord Of The Sabbath"?

Is jesus God because He Was called "the lord Of The Sabbath"?

Bassam Zawadi

Christians often present these verses to show that jesus claimed to be God...

Matthew 12:8

"For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath."

Mark 2:28

"Consequently, the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath."

Luke 6:5

And He was saying to them, "the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath."

Basically reading the context of these passages shows that jesus allowed for his disciples to pick up some ears of corn to eat for they were hungry. The Jews were startled at this and jesus gave them the example of how David and his companions ate the consecrated bread even though it was not allowed.

Jesus came to basically adjust the Law to be better and not literally break it.

Now Christians argue that jesus claimed to be lord of the Sabbath is something that only God could claim.

Well there are several replies to this. The first one is given by Sam Shamoun in his debate with Sami Zaatri on the topic "Is jesus God", which can be downloaded here.

Sam Shamoun tried to show that jesus calling him self the lord of the Sabbath means he declared himself to be God. Sami Zaatri replies back and says that it is only a title of honor and that even the name Gabriel means "strong God". Sam Shamoun replies back.

Sam Shamoun said in the 1st hour, 10th minute 25th second...

You assume that Gabriel is a title referring to the characteristic of the angel. On the contrary, Gabriel is not a title signifying the nature of the angel but signifying the God that the angel represents. Often times, persons and angels are given names, which are depictive of the God that they serve. Example: eeneehoo means "My God is he". That's not calling him God, its calling Yahweh his God. So often times messengers are given names that signify and describe the God that they serve.

Sam Shamoun does not realize that he shot himself in the foot. He said that terms like these could be given to messengers to signify the God that they represent. So isn't it possible that this was a title given to jesus to signify the God that he came to represent?

Also notice how Shamoun contradicts himself...

Sam Shamoun said in the 1st hour, 51st minute 52nd second...

I didn't say jesus never said he was God. I didn't say that. Again you misrepresent me even though I corrected that lie and distortion. I said while on earth jesus didn't say it because he had to safeguard the distinction of persons between the Father and Son and first provide supernatural proof of who he is. Once that was done, once he gave the convincing proof, once he established that he is not the Father then after that he could speak of himself being as God.

Shamoun says that jesus never claimed to be God while on earth. However, jesus said that he was the lord of the Sabbath while he was on earth. So according to Shamoun that means jesus never claimed to be God by saying that statement. But then Shamoun argues that jesus did claim that he was God by calling himself the lord of the Sabbath. But Sam said that jesus never declared it on earth. It is so clear how Shamoun contradicts himself.

Secondly, we should not forget that jesus was GIVEN all authority (Matthew 28:8) and therefore had the authority to break the Sabbath with God's permission and will. Therefore, this was only a title of honor in order to signify that authority GIVEN to hm.

Thirdly, jesus said that "the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath" All Christians agree that when jesus calls himself the "Son of Man" then he is emphasizing his human nature. Now how can Jesus' human nature claim to be God? Shouldn't it be his Godly nature that does it?

Fourthly, no where do we even see that the Jews accused jesus of blasphemy when he said this statement.

As we can see, the argument that jesus claimed to be God by calling himself the "Lord of the Sabbath" is very weak and will not convince any objective person.

Back to Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

Women in Islam and the Bible.

Rebuttals by Bassam Zawadi.

Islam and the Noble Quran - Questions and Answers.

Answering Trinity.

Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.

Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.

What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.

Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.

Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!

Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible.

Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.
للمزيد من مواضيعي


Reply With Quote


"the, because, called, jesus, lord, sabbath"?

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Was Jesus Christ, even according to him, really the Lord of the Sabbath (Saturday)? أبو حفص الأيوبي Answering Christianity 0 12.04.2010 01:40
John 8:58's deliberate mistranslation of Jesus saying "I AM" with new evidence from the Greek language! أبو حفص الأيوبي Answering Christianity 0 12.04.2010 00:16
برنامج لتغير أصوات نظام ويندوز من موسيقى إلى قرآن أم جهاد منتدى الحاسوب و البرامج 1 15.03.2010 23:55
جدعنة الشهيدة "مروة" كانت وراء اعتناق "أنجيلا" الألمانية للإسلام miran dawod ركن المسلمين الجدد 0 12.07.2009 12:54

The best screen resolution is 1024x768