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Momayz Trinity and the analogy of the sun and Family ... 1+1+1=1

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1+1+1=1
1x1x1=1
3x1=1

Trinitarians often like to claim that they have a monotheistic belief, and that the Trinity is not the worship of 3 Gods rather it is the worship of One God.
Basically they say the Trinity doctrine is as follow:
1- God is made up of 3 persons
2- The three persons are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
3- All three persons are distinct from each other, The Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father etc.
4- Each person in the Trinity has a role of their own
5- Jesus is the Son in the Trinity
Basically, that is the dogma of the Trinity.
Now let us show exactly why Christians do in fact worship three God's. As I said, the Trinity is made up of THREE people; these three people are all different.

Let us even make it simpler for people:

Muslim: Is Jesus God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is Jesus the Father?
Christian: No
Muslim: Is the Father God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is The Father Jesus?
Christian: No
Muslim: So these are 2 different persons?
Christian: Yes, 2 distinct different persons
Muslim: And both are God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is the Holy Spirit God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is the Holy Spirit the Father or Jesus?
Christian: No, the Holy Spirit is not
Muslim: So Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: And these are three different persons?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: So you have three persons, each one is God, how many is that?
Christian: Three, opppssss !!!!!!!!!!!! no no!!!!! I meant One!


It cannot get any simpler than that, Trinitarians worship THREE Gods and they can’t deny it.

Now ofcourse Trinitarians have come up with dozens and dozens of laughable analogies to make sense of the Trinity, however so my favorite analogy Christians bring up to make sense of the Trinity is the Family analogy.
However it’s against the Bible:

Isa 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

The family analogy basically says this:
A Family is made up of more than one member, a Father, Mother, and Son. Yet the Family is one Family and not three families, the same with Trinity.
This is my favorite analogy, and it is one of the most deceptive analogies. The Family statement is true, a Family is made up of 2 or more persons, a typical basic Family is a Husband, Wife, and son.
But here is the problem, Christians say that each person in the Trinity is God, remember Christians say Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is also God.
So therefore using the Christian Trinity doctrine, that would basically mean that the husband is a family, the wife is a family, and the son is also a family!!!!!!!
In a Family we say that the husband wife and son MAKE UP A FAMILLY, we do not say that each specific member of the Family is the family!
Just test this out for yourself, go ask any Christian,
is Jesus God, they will immediately say YES!!!!!!!!!! AMENNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!
The Christian will not reply back by saying no Jesus is not God, but Jesus is part of God, you will NEVER hear this reply by a Christian. So therefore the analogy FAILS since the analogy is not even close to Trinity
When you ask a husband are you a Family sir?
He will say I HAVE a Family and yes I am in a family,
but he will not say yes I am a family.
So Christian Trinitarians have been very deceptive in their analogies and it seems they themselves don’t understand what Trinity even is!
Christians do not say No Jesus is not God, or no the Father is not God, Christians do not say that Jesus and the Father are part of God and make up God,
they say that Jesus IS God, they say that the Father IS God. So the analogy crumbles.
So basically if we want to compare the Trinity to this Family analogy, then this means that we should not ask Christians is Jesus God,
We should ask Christians does Jesus have a God, does the Father have a God!
Because the analogy is basically turning God into a family, so therefore this means God is made up of people, and is not one alone person.


A lot of orthodoxies try to figure out the problem of Trinity (3x 1) through this example
The sun
The sun = 3x1
1- body
2- light
3- heat

1- SO the question now:
Is the light sun?
No !!
Is the heat sun?
No!!!
They are stemmed from one body, but
they are not independent from the sun
moreover, they don’t have the same qualities of the sun.

The three Devine persons are totally different in the qualities and totally separated from one another. So, how could they be one?!!!!!!!!


We say, the sun is round, hot, and bright, but all of these are just qualities of the sun.
So, Can we say, the heat is son or uncle or father???? !!!

The rays of the sun can be divided into parts if they pass across your fingers, but can God be divided?!!!


2- knowledge + wisdom + inspiration
The same they are not separate bodies, they were for all prophets before Jesus!!!
So, the analogy of the sun is invalid because they are not three bodies like the three Devine Persons; and none of them could be the original body…..

So as you can see, these analogies are so bad and deceptive they cause further problems for a Trinitarian. Trinitarians should simply accept the fact that they worship three Gods, once doing so they will be able to throw this Trinity lie out the window and become a real monotheistic faith.
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