ارجو المساعده

[افضل العمرين]

ارجو المساعده

السلام عليكم اخوتي واخواتي في هذا المنتدى الكريم
اتمنى مساعدتي في بعض المسائل العالقة
في حواري مع فتاة امريكية نصرانية وهي مسيحية متشددة عن الاسلام والمسيحية
ذكرت احدى الشبهات عن الاسلام واللتي تقول انه المرتد عن الاسلام يقتل
فتذكرت انه في احدى جولاتي قديما على منتداكم المحترم قرات ردودا ان الانجيل يهدر دم من يرتد عن المسيحية
لكني لقلة اطلاعي وعدم معرفتي الكاملة بالانجيل لم اجد النص اللذي يؤكد هذه الحقيقة
اتمنى من اعضاء هذا المنتدى ارشادي لهذا النص ويفضل ان يكون باللغة الانجليزية لاضعه في ردي على هذه الفتاة
شاكر لكم تعاونكم واستقبالي بينكم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

للمزيد من مواضيعي

 

الموضوع الأصلي : ارجو المساعده     -||-     المصدر : مُنتَدَيَاتُ كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءِ الدَّعَويِّة     -||-     الكاتب : افضل العمرين

[د/مسلمة]

أختي الفاضلة قد يساعدك هذا الرابط عن حد الردة في النصرانية

http://www.answeringchristianity.net..._the_bible.htm

ليس لدي وقت الآن وإلا كنت لخصته لكِ

هل تستطعين التعامل معه أم ألخصه لكِ في صورة رد؟

Signature of د/مسلمة

اللهم اغفر لنا

[افضل العمرين]

اشكرك على ردك السريع وتعاونك اختي ساقرا الرابط واحاول قدر استطاعتي تلخيص المعلومات منه لارد على الزميلة النصرانية
اشكرك اختي وبارك الله فيكي

[MrWyvern]

اقتباس   المشاركة الأصلية كتبها افضل العمرين السلام عليكم اخوتي واخواتي في هذا المنتدى الكريم اتمنى مساعدتي في بعض المسائل العالقة في حواري مع فتاة امريكية نصرانية وهي مسيحية متشددة عن الاسلام والمسيحية ذكرت احدى الشبهات عن الاسلام واللتي تقول انه المرتد عن الاسلام يقتل فتذكرت انه في احدى جولاتي قديما على منتداكم المحترم قرات ردودا ان الانجيل يهدر دم من يرتد عن المسيحية لكني لقلة اطلاعي وعدم معرفتي الكاملة بالانجيل لم اجد النص اللذي يؤكد هذه الحقيقة اتمنى من اعضاء هذا المنتدى ارشادي لهذا النص ويفضل ان يكون باللغة الانجليزية لاضعه في ردي على هذه الفتاة شاكر لكم تعاونكم واستقبالي بينكم السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

These are the quotes from their book:

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
KJV

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.



6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.



12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

May Allah reward you.
Your Junior brother

[افضل العمرين]

قمت بلصق الرابط اللي وضعته الاخت د مسلمة وكان رد النصرانية كما يلي
This is the Old Testament and is not Christianity. Christianity is living as Christ - Christlikeness. This is the Old Covenant - the blood of Jesus brought the New Covenant. You completely misunderstand Christianity altogether. You must read the New Testament to understand the Old Testament and why God created Jesus to be the Messiah.

فقمت بوضع رد الاخ مستر وايفرن بانتظار ردها عليه
thank u my brother for your help

[أبو حفص الأيوبي]

يمكنكِ دعوتها هنا أختى الفاضلة للحوار حول أى مسألة سواء في الإسلام أو المسيحية, وطبعاً سيكون الحوار باللغة الإنجليزية

and here is the direct link for Kalemasawa'a in English
https://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/f18.html

and we are here if you prefer to continue dealing with her via mail

may Allah bless you sister for your good deeds

Signature of أبو حفص الأيوبي

[أبو حفص الأيوبي]

I'm sorry, i didn't see this till now

اقتباس This is the Old Testament and is not Christianity. Christianity is living as Christ - Christlikeness. This is the Old Covenant - the blood of Jesus brought the New Covenant. You completely misunderstand Christianity altogether. You must read the New Testament to understand the Old Testament and why God created Jesus to be the Messiah.

Jesus the Messiah said in Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (King James Version)

and now we asking you, whom we shall believe Jesus or you ?

He said that he didn't come to destroy the law - the law of the old testament -

but you tell us now that we completely misunderstand and He Destroy the law... !

whom is the right, you or Jesus ????

but lets forget anything right now, because we need a confirmation for this
"God created Jesus to be the Messiah"
Do you believe that Jesus the Messiah was a creature of God ?
this is the first question, the second one
Are you from Jehovah's Witnesses ?

Last edit by MrWyvern on 25.06.2010 at 00:10 .